Aeronautics Industry Aeronautics Industry    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  If all the Ice Sheets Melt? Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 9, 10, 11, 12  Next          Aeronautics Industry Forum Index -> Aeronautics Industry View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Landy Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message news:7fadnZvOp9Ry79PbnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@dls.net... Quote: Landy wrote: I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. Well, you will now learn that unless you do so, you should be more circumspect in the correctness of your opinions on such subjects. I agree. It was uncharacteristic of me. It still seems odd that such a crucial piece of evidence as the 13C story is left out of summaries of these documents. It doesn't even make an appearance in textbooks on the topic! cheers Bill Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor J. Taylor Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:45:51 -0500, "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote: Quote: Landy wrote: I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. Well, you will now learn that unless you do so, you should be more circumspect in the correctness of your opinions on such subjects. Paul Never mind that statement is completely nonsensical JT Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Timberwoof Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? In article <lqus431ds07fstesl4gpdatedj41i7iu0b@4ax.com>, J. Taylor <nchiwana@embarqmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote: Quote: On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:45:51 -0500, "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net wrote: Landy wrote: I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. Well, you will now learn that unless you do so, you should be more circumspect in the correctness of your opinions on such subjects. Paul Never mind that statement is completely nonsensical In other words, if you have no exposure at all to current events or scientific thinking, then you can consider yourself an authority. Yeah, right. -- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor J. Taylor Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On Sat, 19 May 2007 00:26:00 -0700, Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote: Quote: In article <lqus431ds07fstesl4gpdatedj41i7iu0b@4ax.com>, J. Taylor <nchiwana@embarqmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote: On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:45:51 -0500, "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net wrote: Landy wrote: I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. Well, you will now learn that unless you do so, you should be more circumspect in the correctness of your opinions on such subjects. Paul Never mind that statement is completely nonsensical In other words, if you have no exposure at all to current events or scientific thinking, then you can consider yourself an authority. Yeah, right. "unless you do so, you should be more" Glad you got some meaning from that JT Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor BradGuth Guest Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 3:34 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On May 19, 12:26 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote: Quote: In article <lqus431ds07fstesl4gpdatedj41i7i...@4ax.com>, J. Taylor <nchiw...@embarqmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote: On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:45:51 -0500, "Paul F. Dietz" <d...@dls.net wrote: Landy wrote: I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. Well, you will now learn that unless you do so, you should be more circumspect in the correctness of your opinions on such subjects. Paul Never mind that statement is completely nonsensical In other words, if you have no exposure at all to current events or scientific thinking, then you can consider yourself an authority. Yeah, right. -- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com You don't have to be an Einstein in order to realize when you're being snookered. Via deductive reasoning as based upon the regular laws of physics, along with the best available science, and tossing in the well enough recorded past history as to what humanity has often done to itself time and again, and thereby long before "all the ice sheets melt" we'll have much bigger issues than a wussy 100 extra meters worth of ocean depth to ponder, such as insufficient employment or employment that simply doesn't pay enough, wide spread starvation for many of us honest humans, as well as for the demise of much other that's natural plus those of our hybrid mutated plants, of our having negatively further impacted diatoms, insects and animals, plus having a few too many of those pesky wars to finance and the resulting inflation of 10 fold or greater to worry about. If you can't afford to live even as a servitude class of minion, or if the likes of our Uncle Sam is trying to get yourself and others of your kind killed off by either your own kind or via all sorts of supposed friendly fire, what's the point in worrying about a little too much ice melting, oceans rising, most all the good bees having died off, and of jellyfish taking over our polluted and raped oceans that are continually getting warmer and otherwise chuck full of vast dead zones that not even robust little diatoms care to habitat, is just a little of what folks need to ponder before it's too late for the next few generations to fix and otherwise pay for. - Brad Guth Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor rick++ Guest Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? The current ice age (south pole) started around 27 million years ago. The one before that was arounf 680 million years ago, possible enveloping the entire earth. So "normal" seems to be no ice sheets at all. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor kT Guest Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? rick++ wrote: Quote: So "normal" seems to be no ice sheets at all. Then you need to start preparing for much higher sea levels. Are you prepared for an additional 240 feet of water? And no fresh water reserves at all anymore? -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor BradGuth Guest Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On May 21, 7:12 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote: Quote: rick++ wrote: So "normal" seems to be no ice sheets at all. Then you need to start preparing for much higher sea levels. Are you prepared for an additional 240 feet of water? And no fresh water reserves at all anymore? -- There will always be that relatively fresh water cache available, in the form of those pesky category 5+ storms kicking our butts. With 256 teratonnes of h2o being sustained within our GW forced new and improved atmosphere, plus hosting loads of raw CO2 and a few spare toxic elements to boot, as such should make life downright interesting and often more wet than some of us can out-run or much less out-swim. Too bad that our regular laws of physics do not apply to that horrific mascon of a moon that's so nearby, as otherwise we might at least understand where most of this seemingly spare/surplus energy is derived from. Imagine as to what one forth the orbital distance and 16 fold as much gravity/tidal forced energy was once upon a time doing to mother Earth. OOPS! what proto-life sustaining Earth with such a horrific traumatising moon would that be? - Brad Guth Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor BradGuth Guest Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On May 15, 12:54 pm, effac...@hotmail.com wrote: Quote: On May 15, 11:47 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote: Was that supposed to be a feedback pun, or a joke? Neither. A fact. I've clearly posted my positions. Have you been off-world for the last 7+ years? No you are just inarticulate, and your posts, unreadable. Then why on Earth are you sharing anything in return. I thought you couldn't understand a word I've had to say. - Brad Guth Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Landy Guest Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? "rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1179756654.316159.221860@r3g2000prh.googlegroups.com... Quote: The current ice age (south pole) started around 27 million years ago. The one before that was arounf 680 million years ago, So what happened to the Permo-Carboniferous ice ages? And the end-Ordovician ones? But I agree that the "usual" state of Earth is greenhouse rather than icehouse. cheers Bill Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Landy Guest Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:05 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? "kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:sOh4i.9$Sx6.8@newsfe03.lga... Quote: rick++ wrote: So "normal" seems to be no ice sheets at all. Then you need to start preparing for much higher sea levels. Are you prepared for an additional 240 feet of water? And no fresh water reserves at all anymore? Why would you think there would be no fresh water? Did the dinosaurs drink seawater then? cheers Bill Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor kT Guest Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? Landy wrote: Quote: "kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:sOh4i.9$Sx6.8@newsfe03.lga... rick++ wrote: So "normal" seems to be no ice sheets at all. Then you need to start preparing for much higher sea levels. Are you prepared for an additional 240 feet of water? And no fresh water reserves at all anymore? Why would you think there would be no fresh water? Did the dinosaurs drink seawater then? cheers Bill Is this a complete meltdown of the American educational system, or what? -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor BradGuth Guest Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On May 21, 3:30 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote: Quote: Landy wrote: "kT" <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:sOh4i.9$Sx6.8@newsfe03.lga... rick++ wrote: So "normal" seems to be no ice sheets at all. Then you need to start preparing for much higher sea levels. Are you prepared for an additional 240 feet of water? And no fresh water reserves at all anymore? Why would you think there would be no fresh water? Did the dinosaurs drink seawater then? cheers Bill Is this a complete meltdown of the American educational system, or what? -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator :http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I vote for "meltdown" because, as such it goes right along with our GW fiasco that has more to do with our moon than anything else. Being educated as dumb and dumber from the very get go seems to benefit our all American dumbfounded entitlement plan of action, of continually taking from the poor and giving to the rich. - Brad Guth Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Pat Flannery Guest Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? Landy wrote: Quote: Why would you think there would be no fresh water? Did the dinosaurs drink seawater then? They could excrete excess salt from their bodies at the base of their eyes. Ever wonder why tears taste so salty? That's an revolutionary holdover from that ability. Pat Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Landy Guest Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:33 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? "kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:V5p4i.51$SJ3.26@newsfe02.lga... Quote: Landy wrote: "kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:sOh4i.9$Sx6.8@newsfe03.lga... rick++ wrote: So "normal" seems to be no ice sheets at all. Then you need to start preparing for much higher sea levels. Are you prepared for an additional 240 feet of water? And no fresh water reserves at all anymore? Why would you think there would be no fresh water? Did the dinosaurs drink seawater then? cheers Bill Is this a complete meltdown of the American educational system, or what? What on earth are you talking about? For starters you did not answer my question. You implied that if all the ice caps melted that there would be no fresh water reserves. Sure, there would be no fresh water in the form of ice caps, but believe it or not there are few life forms that rely on the fresh water in ice caps - so your question "are we prepared for no fresh water reserves?" is irrelevant if you're referring to terrestrial life, which depends on liquid fresh water, not ice caps. My reference to the dinosaurs was to point out that the last time the Earth had no ice caps (mid Jurassic to early Tertiary) life flourished - so there was obviously plenty of fresh water around. For seconders, I am not a sepo. 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