Aeronautics Industry Aeronautics Industry    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  If all the Ice Sheets Melt? Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12  Next          Aeronautics Industry Forum Index -> Aeronautics Industry View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message BradGuth Guest Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On May 17, 2:06 pm, effac...@hotmail.com wrote: Quote: On May 17, 7:23 am, J. Taylor <nchiw...@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote: And I was pointing out if Antarctica looks puny at that scale, then the three miles of ice would look minuscule in comparison. Yeah, and the NON-three miles of average ice thickness "IS" miniscule compared to the area of the oceans. We're back to square one. Congrats. Notice how all the beown-nosed clowns of this silly mainstream status quo just keep coming and coming. It's exactly as though our moon doesn't exist, and/or it's also exactly as though the regular laws of physics (including that pesky one about gravity) simply do not apply to whatever's off-world. Perhaps our GW fiasco is all the fault of those tricky Muslims, as having utilized some kind of weird GW WMD. At least that's more than likely what 99.9% of this Old Testament usenet from hell on Earth would like us to think. - Brad Guth Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Landy Guest Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message news:DNudnRKeBMHByNHbnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@dls.net... Quote: Landy wrote: A fair question - but noone has. And how would you tell the differnce with isotopes? The change in delta13C would be beyond detection limits given the current percentage of increase. Bullshit, 'Landy'. The changes in 13C have been measured, and are well above the detection limits. Read the full IPCC report, chapter 2, page 139, and follow references given there. http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html Paul I stand corrected. Why are these data not publicised better? The public always gets the bland statement about the "CO2 increases are due to anthropogenic actvity....blah". It still doesn't prove that *all* of the current increase is anthropogenic (which was my original criticism). They cover their arses by using phrases like "is consistent with". Melting and oxidation of tundra woould also reduce delta 13C. I am not a "unbeliever", I just find the lack of thourough science worrying. e.g. the lack of error bars on the charts is rather dusturbing. cheers Bill Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Aidan Karley Guest Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? In article <1179355736@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop wrote: Quote: What keeps them from measuring isotpopic ratios and drawing the obvious conclusions? And/or why aren't such conclusions valid? There is some evidence from dendrochronology - there is apparently a noticeable change in 14-C/13-C ratio in wood that grew through the late 1800s and early 1900s, which is compatible with the recorded changes in atmospheric CO2. (Fossil fuels have essentially a zero content of 14-C ; soils and biologically-cycled carbon which has been stored for less than ~60000 years will have noticeable 14-C ; atmospheric carbon had a more-or less constant level of 14-C, dependent on the intensity of cosmic and solar radiation.) Atmospheric 14-C levels spiked in the early 1950s as a consequence of atmospheric nuclear weapons testing, rendering carbon dating unusable for anything that 'closed' after about 1950. Not that it's much use for periods of much less than a couple of centuries. -- Aidan Karley, FGS, Aberdeen, Scotland A light wave is more like a crime wave than a water wave. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Paul F. Dietz Guest Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? Landy wrote: Quote: I stand corrected. Why are these data not publicised better? Why didn't you bother to inform yourself by reading the well-publicized IPCC reports (this is the 4th cycle of these things!) before spouting off about the subject in public? Those correcting your ignorance are not reposible for that ignorance. Paul Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Paul F. Dietz Guest Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? J. Taylor wrote: Quote: I am at a loss to understand the fundamentally deranged thought processes that could lead you to conclude that. An utter non sequitur. So you think temperature will increase regardless of carbon? Again, I am at a loss to understand the fundamentally deranged thought processes that could lead you to infer I would think such a thing. Another non sequitur. Quote: What I am saying is consistent with the ice cores, temperature increase is not locked and controlled by carbon only. Of course! No one says it is. However, what you are saying is also consistent with carbon having the predicted effect on global temperature. Quote: Controlling carbon will yield lower temperature if all else remains equal, and that is what the global warming crowd wishes to ignore, all things do not remain equal, or unchanged. Only in your feeble imagination is this true. Do you even both to read the IPCC report? Lots of other effects are taken into account, and quantified. Greenhouse gas forcing is not acting alone, but it's going to swamp the other known effects in the coming century. Quote: They see it as the be all and end all, and are willing to give significant power to government control to achieve it. Paranoid ideation noted. Quote: And this is assuming the actual problem at hand has only one outcome, increase in carbon as the only factor for temperature increase. Which cannot possibly be or the ice cores would show carbon increase then temperature. You are debunking an hallucination of your own psychotic mind, not anything the actual scientists are thinking or saying. Carbon (and other greenhouse gases) are certainly not the only things that can cause climate change. At the rate they are being added now, however, they will swamp other known effects in the coming century. Paul Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor J. Taylor Guest Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:37:06 -0500, "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote: Quote: J. Taylor wrote: I am at a loss to understand the fundamentally deranged thought processes that could lead you to conclude that. An utter non sequitur. So you think temperature will increase regardless of carbon? Again, I am at a loss to understand the fundamentally deranged thought processes that could lead you to infer I would think such a thing. Another non sequitur. Well, they were both questions and since the answer for one would be the opposite for the other and vice versus, the fact you are at a loss to understand would point to a mental defeat in your head, but it must give you comfort in denying the painful obviousness of such stupidity. Quote: What I am saying is consistent with the ice cores, temperature increase is not locked and controlled by carbon only. Of course! No one says it is. However, what you are saying is also consistent with carbon having the predicted effect on global temperature. You are about the stupidest SOB. Why don't you look at your opening attack **** Quote: J. Taylor wrote: Also the ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica show temperature leads and carbon increase follows. The exact opposite of the what the global warming crowd hold as a foundation of their belief. Why do you idiots keep repeating this canard, as if it helps your case? **** Quote: Controlling carbon will yield lower temperature if all else remains equal, and that is what the global warming crowd wishes to ignore, all things do not remain equal, or unchanged. Only in your feeble imagination is this true. Do you even both to read the IPCC report? Lots of other effects are taken into account, and quantified. Greenhouse gas forcing is not acting alone, but it's going to swamp the other known effects in the coming century. Quote: They see it as the be all and end all, and are willing to give significant power to government control to achieve it. Paranoid ideation noted. And this is assuming the actual problem at hand has only one outcome, increase in carbon as the only factor for temperature increase. Which cannot possibly be or the ice cores would show carbon increase then temperature. You are debunking an hallucination of your own psychotic mind, not anything the actual scientists are thinking or saying. Carbon (and other greenhouse gases) are certainly not the only things that can cause climate change. At the rate they are being added now, however, they will swamp other known effects in the coming century. Dietz the only thing you consistently have shown true is how much better the world would be without gas spewing assholes like you. 20% reduction across the board or 20% reduction in users gives the same results. JT Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Landy Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 3:00 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message news:bZWdncJzcPh0NNDbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@dls.net... Quote: Landy wrote: I stand corrected. Why are these data not publicised better? Why didn't you bother to inform yourself by reading the well-publicized IPCC reports (this is the 4th cycle of these things!) before spouting off about the subject in public? I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. I rely on summaries of these things which are published in university level textbooks - and which are obviously lacking. cheers Bill Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Rand Simberg Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 3:18 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:00:16 +1000, in a place far, far away, "Landy" <noone@nowhere.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Quote: "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message news:bZWdncJzcPh0NNDbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@dls.net... Landy wrote: I stand corrected. Why are these data not publicised better? Why didn't you bother to inform yourself by reading the well-publicized IPCC reports (this is the 4th cycle of these things!) before spouting off about the subject in public? I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. I rely on summaries of these things which are published in university level textbooks - and which are obviously lacking. In other words, you choose to remain ignorant. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor J. Taylor Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 5:24 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On Fri, 18 May 2007 23:18:21 GMT, simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote: Quote: On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:00:16 +1000, in a place far, far away, "Landy" noone@nowhere.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message news:bZWdncJzcPh0NNDbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@dls.net... Landy wrote: I stand corrected. Why are these data not publicised better? Why didn't you bother to inform yourself by reading the well-publicized IPCC reports (this is the 4th cycle of these things!) before spouting off about the subject in public? I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. I rely on summaries of these things which are published in university level textbooks - and which are obviously lacking. In other words, you choose to remain ignorant. Have you read it? Do you believe every word in it? JT Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Rand Simberg Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On Sat, 19 May 2007 01:24:42 GMT, in a place far, far away, J. Taylor <nchiwana@embarqmail.NOSPAM.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Quote: I stand corrected. Why are these data not publicised better? Why didn't you bother to inform yourself by reading the well-publicized IPCC reports (this is the 4th cycle of these things!) before spouting off about the subject in public? I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. I rely on summaries of these things which are published in university level textbooks - and which are obviously lacking. In other words, you choose to remain ignorant. Have you read it? Yes, Quote: Do you believe every word in it? Not necessarily. But at least I'm not ignorant. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Landy Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:04 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? "Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message news:469a342c.1033411096@news.giganews.com... Quote: On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:00:16 +1000, in a place far, far away, "Landy" noone@nowhere.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message news:bZWdncJzcPh0NNDbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@dls.net... Landy wrote: I stand corrected. Why are these data not publicised better? Why didn't you bother to inform yourself by reading the well-publicized IPCC reports (this is the 4th cycle of these things!) before spouting off about the subject in public? I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. I rely on summaries of these things which are published in university level textbooks - and which are obviously lacking. In other words, you choose to remain ignorant. So you know everything do you? I am in awe. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Rand Simberg Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On Sat, 19 May 2007 12:04:09 +1000, in a place far, far away, "Landy" <noone@nowhere.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Quote: Landy wrote: I stand corrected. Why are these data not publicised better? Why didn't you bother to inform yourself by reading the well-publicized IPCC reports (this is the 4th cycle of these things!) before spouting off about the subject in public? I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. I rely on summaries of these things which are published in university level textbooks - and which are obviously lacking. In other words, you choose to remain ignorant. So you know everything do you? No, of course not. Just more than you, apparently. But that's seemingly a low bar. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor J. Taylor Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? On Sat, 19 May 2007 01:39:47 GMT, simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote: Quote: On Sat, 19 May 2007 01:24:42 GMT, in a place far, far away, J. Taylor nchiwana@embarqmail.NOSPAM.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: I stand corrected. Why are these data not publicised better? Why didn't you bother to inform yourself by reading the well-publicized IPCC reports (this is the 4th cycle of these things!) before spouting off about the subject in public? I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. I rely on summaries of these things which are published in university level textbooks - and which are obviously lacking. In other words, you choose to remain ignorant. Have you read it? Yes, Do you believe every word in it? Not necessarily. But at least I'm not ignorant. Ok, :-) How much have your personally verified? JT Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Paul F. Dietz Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? Landy wrote: Quote: I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. Well, you will now learn that unless you do so, you should be more circumspect in the correctness of your opinions on such subjects. Paul Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Landy Guest Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: If all the Ice Sheets Melt? "Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message news:46a05c13.1043626225@news.giganews.com... Quote: On Sat, 19 May 2007 12:04:09 +1000, in a place far, far away, "Landy" noone@nowhere.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Landy wrote: I stand corrected. Why are these data not publicised better? Why didn't you bother to inform yourself by reading the well-publicized IPCC reports (this is the 4th cycle of these things!) before spouting off about the subject in public? I don't have time to read tghe newspaper let alone lengthy reports. I rely on summaries of these things which are published in university level textbooks - and which are obviously lacking. In other words, you choose to remain ignorant. So you know everything do you? No, of course not. Just more than you, apparently. But that's seemingly a low bar. More about what? Perhaps a few things. So you understand at the molecular and cellular level the reasons why plants uptake more 12C than 13C do you? I'd be very surprised if you did. Your bar must be low since you seem to have your head stuck up your own arse. Arrogant arsehole. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Aeronautics Industry Forum Index -> Aeronautics Industry All times are GMT Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12  Next Page 9 of 12   Jump to: Select a forum Aeronautics Industry----------------Aeronautics Industry  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum 222 Attacks blocked Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group