Aeronautics Industry Aeronautics Industry    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't believe Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          Aeronautics Industry Forum Index -> Aeronautics Industry View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Eric Chomko Guest Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli On May 10, 9:07 pm, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote: Quote: Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote: :On May 9, 11:03 pm, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote: :> Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote: : :> : :> :The fallacy of democracy in the Middle East is that we suck up to the :> :monarchy in Saudi Arabia rather than shun it. But since we are slaves :> :to oil, here we are. :> : :> :Ever watch Cheney when he greets a member of the Saudi royal family? :> :It's enough to make you sick. :> : : :> Eric is a firm believer in the policy that we should treat our enemies :> better than we treat our friends... : : :We want democracy in the Middle East yet call the Saudis our friends. : So? Eric, I call all sorts of people I disagree with my friends. I don't require my friends to agree with me, live like I do, or even live and believe the way I think they should. Wow, even me? Am I your friend, Freddy? Quote: I'm sorry your Weltanschauung is apparently so narrow that you cannot comprehend this simple concept. My world view is just fine. I have lived abroad, have you? If so, then where? Quote: : :Sort of reminds me of the same conflicting messages that the CIA and :the Peace Corps send out when they occupy the same country. : And just what would those conflicting messages be, Eric? Love your neighbor, we're here to help you, and, stay out of our way as we are here to exploit your resources. I'll let you decide which is which. Quote: : : Can you say double-standard? : :Yes, I knew that you could... : I certainly can, but I can say all sorts of phrases that are inapplicable to what we're talking about. And you often do! Quote: Your point? Other than you being a baffoon? Quote: -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Eric Chomko Guest Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli On May 10, 9:39 pm, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote: Quote: Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote: : :Tell me the last time that a rich white protestant wasn't president? : No, Clinton wasn't really rich until he became President. Yes, I'd say he was self-made and the last one at that. Quote: : :If we are a true melting pot where everyone gets the same chances, as :spelled out by our founding fathers, then we'd have had a president :that better represents the cross section of America. But no we get :rich white guys instead all the time. Plutocratic oligarchy. Look it :up. : I'd suggest that you should. I already have. Quote: -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -- Thomas Jefferson Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Eric Chomko Guest Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli On May 10, 9:12 pm, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote: Quote: Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote: :On May 10, 3:05 pm, "El Guapo" <pleth...@pinatas.com> wrote::> "George" <geo...@yourservice.com> wrote in message :>news:kZu0i.44$Ta.6@bignews5.bellsouth.net... : :> > Democracy? These people are living a Mad Max nightmare. You call that :> > democracy? : : :> Yes, George, I call it democracy. The people voted, representatives were :> duly elected, and those representatives are making laws and directing the :> country's armed forces. The goal of the "insurgents" is to disrupt and :> destroy that fledgeling democracy, for a variety of reasons. : : :But one thing they all agree on, get the Americans out and never let :them claim victory. : Oh, I hadn't realized we'd started talking about the views of Democrats. ha-ha... Quote: : :> A democracy? Yes. Unfortunately, enemies of democracy abound. Let's give :> in to them! I'm sure that will work out well in the end. Hasn't it always :> before? : : :Well since you think the US is a democracy or republic or some :combination of both and don't see it as the plutocratic oligarchy that :it is I find it difficult for you to tout democracy anywhere. : Is the preceding supposed to make sense? Eric, you can find it difficult to believe that he touts democracy, you can find it difficult to understand how he can tout democracy, but it is nonsensical to say that YOU find it difficult for HIM to do something. As for the loony "plutocratic oligarchy" remark, well, the adjective seems to say it all... Sorry if you can't figure out what "the rich, few" means, Freddy. Quote: -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Eric Chomko Guest Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli On May 11, 7:22 am, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote: Quote: On Fri, 11 May 2007 05:11:04 -0500, in a place far, far away, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Isn't that SPS? Its total cost is going to dwarf anything ever done in space up till now, but you're right; that is one of the few worthwhile things to do in space that would make that huge cost completely worth it. The U.S. can't afford to do it alone - it needs a international consortium to pay for it. Nonsense. The US can afford whatever it wants to afford. Sounds like the jingoistic, "the US can do what it wants to do". IOW, ISS, the war, what difference does it make WRT budget? ...in Rand- speak. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jonathan Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli "Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message news:1348gbrt1rp38fe@corp.supernews.com... Quote: Jonathan wrote: I'm suggesting we spend our science budget in the most efficient way possible that will benefit the most possible. SSP is a potential solution to two of the most pressing global problems, climate change and our energy future. Isn't that SPS? Its total cost is going to dwarf anything ever done in space up till now, but you're right; that is one of the few worthwhile things to do in space that would make that huge cost completely worth it. The U.S. can't afford to do it alone - it needs a international consortium to pay for it. It would be a project whose costs and efforts would make building the Great Wall Of China look minor as far as its scope went. According to the largest and most definitive study, the SERT R and D program, the projected cost and timeline starting in '02 would be as follows. From 2002 to 2006 the funding request for SSP was respectively $88million $124million $211million $282million $312million ....which should lead to the next step, MSC1 (model system category 1) TABLE 2-1 NASA’s SERT Program—Model System Category Definitions MSC 1 2006–2007 ~100 kW Free flyer LEO-to-Earth power beaming research platform Solar power plug in space Cryogenic propellant depot “Mega-commsat” demonstrator MSC 1.5 2011–2012 ~1 MW GEO-to-Earth solar power satellite (SPS) demonstrator Lunar exploration SPS platform Earth neighborhood transportation system MSC 3 2016–2017 ~10 MW Free flyer GEO-based SPS demonstration platforms for wireless power transmission, solar power generation, power management and distribution, and solar electric propulsion Interplanetary transportation system MSC 4 2021+ ~1 GW Commercial space full-scale solar power satellite http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=13 .............................. So I say let's pick up this schedule where they left off. Except with the added urgency the new concensus on global warming and oil depletion provide. SSP on Steroids......goddammit!!! And think of this for a minute. To have such a dramatic policy come true requires that we convince only two people. The respective leaders of each party for the next Presidential election. Just those two people. Or just two people they will listen to and so on. And this is an easy sell. How many people might benefit? Well, a politician would have something to give to just about everyone. Politically, in the /current/ post Katrina environment, it should be a politicians wet-dream. So many seem to think that a few people couldn't possibly 'make a difference'. But the internet means that's not true anymore. Just the opposite is true. The good idea can take on a life of its own, and from the humblest of beginnings. Jonathan Quote: Pat Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Fred J. McCall Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli Eric Chomko <pne.chomko@comcast.net> wrote: :On May 10, 9:07 pm, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote: :> Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote: :> :> :On May 9, 11:03 pm, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote: :> :> Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote: :> :> :> :> : :> :> :The fallacy of democracy in the Middle East is that we suck up to the :> :> :monarchy in Saudi Arabia rather than shun it. But since we are slaves :> :> :to oil, here we are. :> :> : :> :> :Ever watch Cheney when he greets a member of the Saudi royal family? :> :> :It's enough to make you sick. :> :> : :> :> :> :> Eric is a firm believer in the policy that we should treat our enemies :> :> better than we treat our friends... :> :> :> : :> :We want democracy in the Middle East yet call the Saudis our friends. :> : :> :> So? Eric, I call all sorts of people I disagree with my friends. I :> don't require my friends to agree with me, live like I do, or even :> live and believe the way I think they should. : :Wow, even me? Am I your friend, Freddy? : No, El Chimpko. You're just a random Usenet Idiot. :> :> I'm sorry your Weltanschauung is apparently so narrow that you cannot :> comprehend this simple concept. :> : :My world view is just fine. I have lived abroad, have you? If so, then :where? : Do you seriously believe that Weltanschauung has anything to do with "lived abroad"? It doesn't. Hint: Yes, I've lived abroad for several years. It's irrelevant. Gee, where have I spent any time? The ones that come to mind that I can mention are: Djibouti, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kenya, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Okinawa, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, and various and sundry bits of the Caribbean (Cuba, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, etc). So how about you, Eric? Ever lived in an English-speaking country? If so, how do you explain your lack of facility with the language? :> :> : :> :Sort of reminds me of the same conflicting messages that the CIA and :> :the Peace Corps send out when they occupy the same country. :> : :> :> And just what would those conflicting messages be, Eric? : :Love your neighbor, we're here to help you, and, stay out of our way :as we are here to exploit your resources. I'll let you decide which :is which. : Both are your delusions. :> :> : :> : Can you say double-standard? :> : :> :Yes, I knew that you could... :> : :> :> I certainly can, but I can say all sorts of phrases that are :> inapplicable to what we're talking about. : :And you often do! : Yes, I persist in quoting you when responding. :> :> Your point? : :Other than you being a baffoon? : Poor, stupid Eric. Remember, this is the same guy who whines about other people pick on him with ad hominem comments... -- You are What you do When it counts. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Fred J. McCall Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli Eric Chomko <pne.chomko@comcast.net> wrote: :On May 10, 9:39 pm, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote: :> Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote: :> :> : :> :Tell me the last time that a rich white protestant wasn't president? :> : :> :> No, Clinton wasn't really rich until he became President. : :Yes, I'd say he was self-made and the last one at that. : Well, since there was only one President after him, that sure is an indictment of the system and support for your insane contention about how we're really a plutocratic oligarchy. :> :> : :> :If we are a true melting pot where everyone gets the same chances, as :> :spelled out by our founding fathers, then we'd have had a president :> :that better represents the cross section of America. But no we get :> :rich white guys instead all the time. Plutocratic oligarchy. Look it :> :up. :> : :> :> I'd suggest that you should. : :I already have. : Now have someone explain it to you. -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -- Thomas Jefferson Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Pat Flannery Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli Scott Hedrick wrote: Quote: Pat, the government is just like my wife and my mother- it could eliminate the national debt today just by writing a check. Yup, renounce the national debt...and no other nation is ever going to buy American bonds again, because their real worth is approximately that of toilet paper. This concept is what led South American countries to become the economic powerhouses that they are today. Actually, I'd kind of like to see that happen. Nothing like a major-league financial crisis and epiphany to get a nation back to reality. "First thing, let's hang all the bankers" - Shakespeare, "George II", act two. :-D Pat Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Scott Hedrick Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli "Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message news:134aujaoibsl454@corp.supernews.com... Quote: Scott Hedrick wrote: Pat, the government is just like my wife and my mother- it could eliminate the national debt today just by writing a check. Yup, renounce the national debt. Pat, I didn't say to renounce it- I said to eliminate it by writing a check. In other words, pay it off. ...and no other nation is ever going to Quote: buy American bonds again, because their real worth is approximately that of toilet paper. About where they are now. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Greg D. Moore (Strider) Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli "Scott Hedrick" <dinehnmNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Lbj1i.48$tq7.224464@news.sisna.com... Quote: "Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message news:134aujaoibsl454@corp.supernews.com... Scott Hedrick wrote: Pat, the government is just like my wife and my mother- it could eliminate the national debt today just by writing a check. Yup, renounce the national debt. Pat, I didn't say to renounce it- I said to eliminate it by writing a check. In other words, pay it off. Which financially amounts to the same thing. The government can't pay it off w/o funds it doesn't have. Quote: ..and no other nation is ever going to buy American bonds again, because their real worth is approximately that of toilet paper. About where they are now. -- Greg Moore SQL Server DBA Consulting Remote and Onsite available! Email: sql (at) greenms.com http://www.greenms.com/sqlserver.html Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor J. Taylor Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:24:13 GMT, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote: Quote: "Scott Hedrick" <dinehnmNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Lbj1i.48$tq7.224464@news.sisna.com... "Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message news:134aujaoibsl454@corp.supernews.com... Scott Hedrick wrote: Pat, the government is just like my wife and my mother- it could eliminate the national debt today just by writing a check. Yup, renounce the national debt. Pat, I didn't say to renounce it- I said to eliminate it by writing a check. In other words, pay it off. Which financially amounts to the same thing. The government can't pay it off w/o funds it doesn't have. The answer, of course, is economic growth. We just need to use natural resources faster, and why we need to find another planet. JT Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Pat Flannery Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli Scott Hedrick wrote: Quote: Yup, renounce the national debt. Pat, I didn't say to renounce it- I said to eliminate it by writing a check. In other words, pay it off. ..and no other nation is ever going to Yu0 buy American bonds again, because their real worth is approximately that of toilet paper. About where they are now. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Pat Flannery Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli Pat Flannery wrote: Quote: ..and no other nation is ever going to Yu0 And let me repeat that, Yu0. Pat Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Pat Flannery Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli Pat Flannery wrote: Quote: Pat Flannery wrote: ..and no other nation is ever going to Yu0 And let me repeat that, Yu0. I've got to work on this shit; I may have come up unintentionally with an entirely new way of insulting someone in a usenet posting; that being either calling them "Yu0" or "u0". Pat Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Rand Simberg Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't beli On Sat, 12 May 2007 12:23:19 -0500, in a place far, far away, Pat Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Quote: I've got to work on this shit; I may have come up unintentionally with an entirely new way of insulting someone in a usenet posting; Yes, *that's* what the world has been waiting for. 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