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 Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: Saturn V fuel lines |
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I just heard on a video that the each of the Saturn V's F-1 engines
burned 2 or 3 TONS of fuel per second. How do you even move fuel that
fast? Those fuel lines must have been huge. |
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Rand Simberg
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:45:52 GMT, in a place far, far away, PP@2K.com
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate
that:
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I just heard on a video that the each of the Saturn V's F-1 engines
burned 2 or 3 TONS of fuel per second. How do you even move fuel that
fast? Those fuel lines must have been huge.
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They were. |
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Greg D. Moore (Strider)
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:46c1b389.1420059607@news.giganews.com...
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:45:52 GMT, in a place far, far away, PP@2K.com
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate
that:
I just heard on a video that the each of the Saturn V's F-1 engines
burned 2 or 3 TONS of fuel per second. How do you even move fuel that
fast? Those fuel lines must have been huge.
They were.
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If you ever get a chance to get to KSC or JSC and stand next to a Saturn
V... or even an F-1 (the first stage engine) you start to appreciate how
FRIGGING BIG the whole thing was.
It's really impressive.
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John
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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On Apr 21, 8:45 pm, P...@2K.com wrote:
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I just heard on a video that the each of the Saturn V's F-1 engines
burned 2 or 3 TONS of fuel per second. How do you even move fuel that
fast? Those fuel lines must have been huge.
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You borrow a little fuel and oxidizer (little in a relative
sense) . . . and use it to turn turbopumps to help push it down those
large fuel lines. Awesome machines when they are being well cared
for.
Blue skies . . .
John |
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Paul Repacholi
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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PP@2K.com writes:
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I just heard on a video that the each of the Saturn V's F-1 engines
burned 2 or 3 TONS of fuel per second. How do you even move fuel that
fast? Those fuel lines must have been huge.
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They where. Total of 27,700 lb/sec.
For fun, calculate how fast a fuel semi has to drive past to `deliver'
that rate, and how long it has to be for the 1st stage burn! |
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Jochem Huhmann
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> writes:
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If you ever get a chance to get to KSC or JSC and stand next to a Saturn
V... or even an F-1 (the first stage engine) you start to appreciate how
FRIGGING BIG the whole thing was.
It's really impressive.
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Nice shot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S-IC_engines_and_Von_Braun.jpg
Jochem
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 23:04:13 +0200, Jochem Huhmann <joh@gmx.net>
wrote:
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"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> writes:
If you ever get a chance to get to KSC or JSC and stand next to a Saturn
V... or even an F-1 (the first stage engine) you start to appreciate how
FRIGGING BIG the whole thing was.
It's really impressive.
Nice shot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S-IC_engines_and_Von_Braun.jpg
Jochem
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that one really show the size of that thing!
thanks |
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Henry Spencer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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In article <oof933da61vh7cbrcofaraqg5he4eh5kur@4ax.com>, <PP@2K.com> wrote:
In fact, it understates the size -- there is some foreshortening, because
Von Braun is leaning on a handrail post and is significantly closer to the
camera than the nearest engine. If he was standing *in* the engine bell,
his head wouldn't even reach the centerline.
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Greg D. Moore (Strider)
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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"Henry Spencer" <henry@spsystems.net> wrote in message
news:JHA921.Dr2@spsystems.net...
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In article <oof933da61vh7cbrcofaraqg5he4eh5kur@4ax.com>, <PP@2K.com
wrote:
Nice shot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S-IC_engines_and_Von_Braun.jpg
that one really show the size of that thing!
In fact, it understates the size -- there is some foreshortening, because
Von Braun is leaning on a handrail post and is significantly closer to the
camera than the nearest engine. If he was standing *in* the engine bell,
his head wouldn't even reach the centerline.
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Hmm... hard to say.
I couldn't find his height, but I believe it was over 6'... and I believe
the OD diameter of the F-1 Bell was 12' 2" (I'll let Henry convert those to
real units ;-)
But yeah... the thing is BIG.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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On 30 Apr, 05:51, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote:
[about the F-1 nozzles]
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But yeah... the thing is BIG.
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I must say, though, that after years of reading descriptions of the
Saturn V that were chock full of superlatives, when I finally saw the
hardware with my own eyes I was impressed not by how large it was but
by how *small*. That is, by the fact that something just a few times
the size of a large truck could go all the way to the Moon and back. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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Proponent wrote:
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On 30 Apr, 05:51, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote:
[about the F-1 nozzles]
But yeah... the thing is BIG.
I must say, though, that after years of reading descriptions of the
Saturn V that were chock full of superlatives, when I finally saw the
hardware with my own eyes I was impressed not by how large it was but
by how *small*. That is, by the fact that something just a few times
the size of a large truck could go all the way to the Moon and back.
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A better size comparison might be to a frigate or destroyer.
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Monte Davis
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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Proponent <Proponent@gmx.net> wrote:
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when I finally saw the
hardware with my own eyes I was impressed not by how large it was but
by how *small*. That is, by the fact that something just a few times
the size of a large truck could go all the way to the Moon and back.
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It's the combination of large *and* small -- all that Saturn V to get
to orbit, and just that [part of] third stage and SM-CM-LM package to
go the next 500,000+ miles -- that's unique to space. That's the
logarithm from the rocket equation, expressed in mass and dimension.
Monte Davis
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> writes:
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If you ever get a chance to get to KSC or JSC and stand next to a Saturn
V... or even an F-1 (the first stage engine) you start to appreciate how
FRIGGING BIG the whole thing was.
It's really impressive.
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There's an engine bell at NASM.
And I note no one has offered up an answer to the first query:
how big are the fuel lines?
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OM
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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On 30 Apr 2007 01:01:55 -0700, Proponent <Proponent@gmx.net> wrote:
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I must say, though, that after years of reading descriptions of the
Saturn V that were chock full of superlatives, when I finally saw the
hardware with my own eyes I was impressed not by how large it was but
by how *small*. That is, by the fact that something just a few times
the size of a large truck could go all the way to the Moon and back.
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....Part of the problem in the size (mis)perception is that the two
stacks you can get close to are lying on the ground. Standing upright,
the immensity is more apparent.
OM
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Orval Fairbairn
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Saturn V fuel lines |
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In article <f15056$4uk$2@reader2.panix.com>,
David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
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"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> writes:
If you ever get a chance to get to KSC or JSC and stand next to a Saturn
V... or even an F-1 (the first stage engine) you start to appreciate how
FRIGGING BIG the whole thing was.
It's really impressive.
There's an engine bell at NASM.
And I note no one has offered up an answer to the first query:
how big are the fuel lines?
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They were big enough to consume 5 million lb of LOX/kerosene in 150
seconds! That is for all 5 engines. |
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