Aeronautics Industry Aeronautics Industry    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  KSC Security          Aeronautics Industry Forum Index -> Aeronautics Industry View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Kevin Willoughby Guest Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: KSC Security A favorite blog pointed me to http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/visitKSC/NASAtours/security.asp, which says that "Stand alone GPS equipment is not permitted on property", but fully functioning cell phones are allowed. Since modern cell phones often have GPS equipment, can anyone explain the difference? -- Kevin Willoughby kevinwilloughby@acm.org.invalid Kansas City, this was Air Force One. Will you change our call sign to SAM 27000? -- Col. Ralph Albertazzie Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Rand Simberg Guest Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: KSC Security On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:27:18 -0400, in a place far, far away, Kevin Willoughby <kevinwilloughby@acm.org.invalid> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Quote: A favorite blog pointed me to http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/visitKSC/NASAtours/security.asp, which says that "Stand alone GPS equipment is not permitted on property", but fully functioning cell phones are allowed. Since modern cell phones often have GPS equipment, can anyone explain the difference? Yes. The difference is that security people are clueless. There's no way that procedures developed by half-wits who run corporate or government security outfits, and have to be approved by committees that meet quarterly can keep up with the technology, given the current pace of change. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jeff Findley Guest Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: KSC Security "Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message news:46de9c1e.1001554218@news.giganews.com... Quote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:27:18 -0400, in a place far, far away, Kevin Willoughby <kevinwilloughby@acm.org.invalid> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: A favorite blog pointed me to http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/visitKSC/NASAtours/security.asp, which says that "Stand alone GPS equipment is not permitted on property", but fully functioning cell phones are allowed. Since modern cell phones often have GPS equipment, can anyone explain the difference? Yes. The difference is that security people are clueless. There's no way that procedures developed by half-wits who run corporate or government security outfits, and have to be approved by committees that meet quarterly can keep up with the technology, given the current pace of change. And what do they mean by "stand alone GPS equipment" anyway? In addition to GPS phones, you can buy GPS modules for PDA's, which gives the user as much, or more, capabilities as "stand alone GPS equipment". Just make sure you peel off the sticker on the thing so they can't see the letters GPS on it. ;-) And even if the people on the committee know about the technology, they're not going to write rules that would force them to give up their spiffy new GPS enabled phones that came with 2 year contracts. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919) Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Rand Simberg Guest Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: KSC Security On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:06:49 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Quote: "Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message news:46de9c1e.1001554218@news.giganews.com... On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:27:18 -0400, in a place far, far away, Kevin Willoughby <kevinwilloughby@acm.org.invalid> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: A favorite blog pointed me to http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/visitKSC/NASAtours/security.asp, which says that "Stand alone GPS equipment is not permitted on property", but fully functioning cell phones are allowed. Since modern cell phones often have GPS equipment, can anyone explain the difference? Yes. The difference is that security people are clueless. There's no way that procedures developed by half-wits who run corporate or government security outfits, and have to be approved by committees that meet quarterly can keep up with the technology, given the current pace of change. And what do they mean by "stand alone GPS equipment" anyway? In addition to GPS phones, you can buy GPS modules for PDA's, which gives the user as much, or more, capabilities as "stand alone GPS equipment". Just make sure you peel off the sticker on the thing so they can't see the letters GPS on it. ;-) And even if the people on the committee know about the technology, they're not going to write rules that would force them to give up their spiffy new GPS enabled phones that came with 2 year contracts. They have the same problem with ubiquitous cameras in cell phones. I just recently upgraded my phone to a Treo, and I had to special order it without the camera to avoid hassles in government/contractor facilities, and it was the same price as with one. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor thomsona@flash.net Guest Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:33 am    Post subject: Re: KSC Security On Jun 13, 8:27 pm, Kevin Willoughby <kevinwilloug...@acm.org.invalid> wrote: Quote: A favorite blog pointed me tohttp://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/visitKSC/NASAtours/security.asp, which says that "Stand alone GPS equipment is not permitted on property", but fully functioning cell phones are allowed. Since modern cell phones often have GPS equipment, can anyone explain the difference? Not I. But I'd like to know what the fine security folks at KSC fear from having any sort of unauthorized/terrorist GPS equipment on their site. Or why they think available resources such as Google Earth, perhaps supplemented by calibrating it by nearby off-site GPS points, wouldn't be equivalent? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: KSC Security Quote: Yes. The difference is that security people are clueless. There's no way that procedures developed by half-wits who run corporate or government security outfits, and have to be approved by committees that meet quarterly can keep up with the technology, given the current pace of change. And what do they mean by "stand alone GPS equipment" anyway? In addition to GPS phones, you can buy GPS modules for PDA's, which gives the user as much, or more, capabilities as "stand alone GPS equipment". Just make sure you peel off the sticker on the thing so they can't see the letters GPS on it. ;-) And even if the people on the committee know about the technology, they're not going to write rules that would force them to give up their spiffy new GPS enabled phones that came with 2 year contracts. They have the same problem with ubiquitous cameras in cell phones. I just recently upgraded my phone to a Treo, and I had to special order it without the camera to avoid hassles in government/contractor facilities, and it was the same price as with one. So...the idea is you can't get a fix on any of the 'sensitive' locations, and therefore find it harder to dive a plane onto it later???? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor TimK Guest Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: KSC Security <thomsona@flash.net> wrote in message news:1181860404.510092.44860@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com... Quote: On Jun 13, 8:27 pm, Kevin Willoughby <kevinwilloug...@acm.org.invalid wrote: A favorite blog pointed me tohttp://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/visitKSC/NASAtours/security.asp, which says that "Stand alone GPS equipment is not permitted on property", but fully functioning cell phones are allowed. Since modern cell phones often have GPS equipment, can anyone explain the difference? Not I. But I'd like to know what the fine security folks at KSC fear from having any sort of unauthorized/terrorist GPS equipment on their site. Or why they think available resources such as Google Earth, perhaps supplemented by calibrating it by nearby off-site GPS points, wouldn't be equivalent? Go to labins.org, dl an ortho quarter quad aerial, get ArcView 3x for dimes, load the right datum and projection and you can hover your curser and get they coordinates easily. This info has escaped the security folks, apparently. 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