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Rick Jones
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 Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: how many angels can dance on the head of L1? |
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From time to time I see people say things like:
"Put it at the Earth/Moon L1"
etc etc. Most recently was in the context of powersats.
Just how many things can dance say at the Earth/Moon L1 point before
they start stepping on one another's toes?
rick jones
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Rand Simberg
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: how many angels can dance on the head of L1? |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:54:46 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:
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From time to time I see people say things like:
"Put it at the Earth/Moon L1"
etc etc. Most recently was in the context of powersats.
Just how many things can dance say at the Earth/Moon L1 point before
they start stepping on one another's toes?
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A lot. It's not a point--it's a region. |
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BradGuth
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: how many angels can dance on the head of L1? |
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On Jun 11, 9:54 am, Rick Jones <rick.jon...@hp.com> wrote:
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From time to time I see people say things like:
"Put it at the Earth/Moon L1"
etc etc. Most recently was in the context of powersats.
Just how many things can dance say at the Earth/Moon L1 point before
they start stepping on one another's toes?
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The sorts of Clarke Stations can be many, perhaps dozens or more.
However, there's only room for one robust LSE-CM/ISS and of its tether
dipole element that'll reach to within as little as 2r of mother
Earth.
What we need is a darn good and fully interactive 3D simulator for
this application of utilizing our moon's L1.
Of course, once having relocated that salty old moon of ours out to
Earth's L1 would greatly improve the situation, as well as for giving
Earth loads of badly needed shade to burn (sort of speak).
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"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell
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Alan Jones
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: how many angels can dance on the head of L1? |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:54:46 +0000 (UTC), Rick Jones
<rick.jones2@hp.com> wrote:
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From time to time I see people say things like:
"Put it at the Earth/Moon L1"
etc etc. Most recently was in the context of powersats.
Just how many things can dance say at the Earth/Moon L1 point before
they start stepping on one another's toes?
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Lots, until they get tired and run out of propellant,
Alan Jones
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BradGuth
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: how many angels can dance on the head of L1? |
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On Jun 12, 9:27 am, Alan Jones <ala...@nospam.mchsi.com> wrote:
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:54:46 +0000 (UTC), Rick Jones
rick.jon...@hp.com> wrote:
From time to time I see people say things like:
"Put it at the Earth/Moon L1"
etc etc. Most recently was in the context of powersats.
Just how many things can dance say at the Earth/Moon L1 point before
they start stepping on one another's toes?
Lots, until they get tired and run out of propellant,
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But it's rather energy efficient for their station keeping needs,
especially since there's nearly continuous sun and the use of Ra-->Rn--
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ion thrusters are good for their 1650 year half life.
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Besides, of getting whatever spare pizza and beer delivered to our
moon's L1 is also rather fly-by-rocket efficient, especially since
inert stuff of beer, pizza plus whatever supplies of h2o2 fuel, of
water and O2/H2 as easily extracted from h2o needn't be in any hurry
for getting there (each shipment could take as long as a lunar month
if need be).
I'm not certain, but I'd say something of less than a 120:1 ratio of
rocket GLOW per payload should more than do the trick. Right now it's
taking roughly 80:1 for rather quickly getting payloads into GSO, thus
possibly as little as a 100:1 ratio will become sufficient for getting
whatever payloads deployed into the moon's L1 zone.
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BradGuth
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: how many angels can dance on the head of L1? |
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On Jun 11, 9:54 am, Rick Jones <rick.jon...@hp.com> wrote:
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From time to time I see people say things like:
"Put it at the Earth/Moon L1"
etc etc. Most recently was in the context of powersats.
Just how many things can dance say at the Earth/Moon L1 point before
they start stepping on one another's toes?
rick jones
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Moon's L1 is still taboo/off-limits: I can't but wonder why
Notice how little is shared about our moon's L1, whereas even anything
"Clarke Station" becomes taboo/nondisclosure. Notice how they either
exclude critical information or take to diverting your request or
topic focus as far away from anything utilizing our moon's L1 as
possible.
The Atheists/Zions are pretty much one in the same, in charge of
hyping all that's NASA and otherwise covering thy mutual butts as they
ignore the regular laws of physics whenever possible, plus otherwise
having been excluding the best available science as evidence of ETs is
also their status quo norm, of banishing all that's of any off-world
potential on behalf of ETs or of just plain old excluding any other
life that's capable of having its own off-world DNA mutations in spite
of whatever their Old Testament has to say.
There is actually damn little if any chance that we've walked upon our
salty old moon that's so physically dark, salty and terribly reactive,
and there's much less chance of whatever remaining life existing or
coexisting upon Mars, in that Mars becomes their poster planet of
where all of our loot is going besides into the sorts of weird and
spendy missions that are multy year time consuming and otherwise so
far off-world and/or as further away from Venus as possible.
All of this topic/author stalking and opposition and/or naysayism
certainly isn't Muslim or even Catholic, and otherwise of the Mormons
that are right in there with the weirdness of Scientologist is why
there's no clear path of others with their honest research and/or
worthy conjectures to follow, that isn't taking on more than our fair
share of the mainstream status quo as having been orchestrated along
by the Atheist/Zion infomercial spewing gauntlet, that would just as
soon put their own kind on a stick in order to get their Old Testament
way.
The likes of "Lyris ListManager" of 'jewishgen.org' is in charge of
defending their Zion/Jewish group mindset from being exposed to the
truth, and thereby excluding others from sharing in the honest views
of those attempting to share and share alike. This is apparently what
a given infomercial spewing cult has to do, such as our Third Reich
cult of Skull and Bones along with their brown-nosed Atheists minions
having their resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) as their lead puppet, and
not that a small percentage of such folks are those out of control and
otherwise unpoliced.
Earth's moon offers a nifty nullification or sweet spot of an efficien
station keeping zone, that's ideal for the likes of Clarke Stations or
that of my LSE-CM/ISS as becoming our space depot/gateway (gamma and
hard-Xray dosage moderated by the 256e6 tonne mass of the CM/ISS
habitat). This nifty though interactive parking zone or gravity-well
pocket (some call it a gravity-hill since it's much like your being
interactively situated upon a hill) is obviously nearby and 97.6%
solar illuminated, plus getting a darn good IR reflected and/or
secondary worth of FIR from the moon at least half of the time, so
that PV energy conversion isn't ever a problem (an artificial solar
shade of a sufficient number of PV panels takes care of cooling and
providing of surplus energy).
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