Aeronautics Industry Aeronautics Industry    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  NASA chooses Second Life over Martin Schweiger's Orbiter          Aeronautics Industry Forum Index -> Aeronautics Industry View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message kT Guest Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: NASA chooses Second Life over Martin Schweiger's Orbiter ... for their public space simulation engine. NASA obviously prefers fantasy, over reality, science and physics. -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Janitor_of_Lunacy Guest Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:46 pm    Post subject: Re: NASA chooses Second Life over Martin Schweiger's Orbiter kT wrote: Quote: ... for their public space simulation engine. NASA obviously prefers fantasy, over reality, science and physics. -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html Have you actually read any of the press releases? Orbiter is a wonderful flight simulator, but NASA intends to use 2nd Life primarily as a way of allowing vicarious exploration of the lunar (and Martian) surfaces, ISS and Orion interiors etc. Orbiter can't handle that, nor should it. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor kT Guest Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:55 am    Post subject: Re: NASA chooses Second Life over Martin Schweiger's Orbiter Janitor_of_Lunacy wrote: Quote: kT wrote: ... for their public space simulation engine. NASA obviously prefers fantasy, over reality, science and physics. -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html Have you actually read any of the press releases? Orbiter is a wonderful flight simulator, but NASA intends to use 2nd Life primarily as a way of allowing vicarious exploration of the lunar (and Martian) What's wrong with actual ... rovers? Quote: surfaces, ISS and Orion interiors etc. Orbiter can't handle that, nor should it. You're right, an ignorant American public engaged in fantasy is better than an educated and scientifically literate public engaged in physics. -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Janitor_of_Lunacy Guest Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:05 am    Post subject: Re: NASA chooses Second Life over Martin Schweiger's Orbiter On May 31, 4:55 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote: Quote: Janitor_of_Lunacy wrote: kT wrote: ... for their public space simulation engine. NASA obviously prefers fantasy, over reality, science and physics. -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html Have you actually read any of the press releases? Orbiter is a wonderful flight simulator, but NASA intends to use 2nd Life primarily as a way of allowing vicarious exploration of the lunar (and Martian) What's wrong with actual ... rovers? What actual rovers? The two on Mars move at a rate of tens of feet per day, which hardly makes for a compelling real-time experience. NASA wants to use 2nd Life for PR purposes: rather than producing a promotional PR film or two, they want a virtual environment which will make people think that exploration is interesting and fun, and hopefully they will then support the program. Quote: surfaces, ISS and Orion interiors etc. Orbiter can't handle that, nor should it. You're right, an ignorant American public engaged in fantasy is better than an educated and scientifically literate public engaged in physics. You are moving the goalposts. You complained that NASA was using Second Life rather than Orbiter. Do you propose that they should use Orbiter as their primary PR software? Even most space enthusiasts (such as myself) find what you see when you get there (Jovian system, Venus orbit, planetary surfaces) a lot more interesting than just getting there. A sizable segment of the American public which thinks that space exploration is interesting, because they've been able to vicariously see what it is about, is probably better (at least for NASA) than a much smaller proportion which are happily enjoying themselves with celestial mechanics. FWIW, I find Orbiter fairly flavorless. Even with the new graphics, there isn't that much to see when you get there. My space simulations of choice are "Eagle Lander 3D", which is an excellent simulation of flying the LM, and features pretty good graphics, a good cockpit model, and a simulation of at least the interface and functionality of the LM's computer, and "A-OK, Wings of Mercury" which is a good simulation of, guess what, project Mercury. It isn't quite as open- ended as the Mercury add-ons to Orbitor, but it has a more realistic spacecraft model (electrical system, life-support etc.) and, more importantly, incorporates potential failure modes. 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